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The Evil Tessmacher
2009-08-03 12:51:49 UTC
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I'm in need of a specific style font, or its equivalent, but
don't have the budget funding to make the purchase of the
actual font. I know that there are freeware versions of
almost all fonts, and that someone, somewhere has a version
of what I need.

The actual font is: Americana SB X-Bold but I can use a
freeware equivalent if there is one that is really close.
We've had major budget cuts, and are still required to do
what we've been doing all along. Go figure. Ordinarily, I
would purchase the font on my own, but we just had someone
get a letter of reprimand in their personnel jacket for doing
something similar.

Anyone have Americana SB X-Bold or it's freeware equivalent
they could post?
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The Evil Tessmacher
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Tom Ferguson
2009-08-04 06:32:05 UTC
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Elsner + Flake and Bitstream each have versions of this face. Of the two, it
is more likely you can find the Bitstream out in the wild". I came bundled
with various Corel offerings over the years. I am not sure that source would
get you one as bold as you desire.

The exact one you want is available from various sources at about $31.00
USD.

Tom
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You can subscribe directly to the MS NNTP news server without a
username/password. Server use is free.
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server.
T
Post by The Evil Tessmacher
I'm in need of a specific style font, or its equivalent, but
don't have the budget funding to make the purchase of the
actual font. I know that there are freeware versions of
almost all fonts, and that someone, somewhere has a version
of what I need.
The actual font is: Americana SB X-Bold but I can use a
freeware equivalent if there is one that is really close.
We've had major budget cuts, and are still required to do
what we've been doing all along. Go figure. Ordinarily, I
would purchase the font on my own, but we just had someone
get a letter of reprimand in their personnel jacket for doing
something similar.
Anyone have Americana SB X-Bold or it's freeware equivalent
they could post?
--
~
The Evil Tessmacher
Coming Soon to a Kiosk near you!
macropod
2009-08-07 01:42:45 UTC
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I'm sure the owners of the IP in that font will (not) be impressed with your breach of copyright ...
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Cheers
macropod
[Microsoft MVP - Word]
Attached is a font that is extra bold...........
If you can use it ...... great
Post by Tom Ferguson
Elsner + Flake and Bitstream each have versions of this face. Of the two, it
is more likely you can find the Bitstream out in the wild". I came bundled
with various Corel offerings over the years. I am not sure that source would
get you one as bold as you desire.
The exact one you want is available from various sources at about $31.00
USD.
Tom
PS
You can subscribe directly to the MS NNTP news server without a
username/password. Server use is free.
NEWS://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.word.printingfonts
Click on the link and your default news reader will be set up to use the
server.
T
Post by The Evil Tessmacher
I'm in need of a specific style font, or its equivalent, but
don't have the budget funding to make the purchase of the
actual font. I know that there are freeware versions of
almost all fonts, and that someone, somewhere has a version
of what I need.
The actual font is: Americana SB X-Bold but I can use a
freeware equivalent if there is one that is really close.
We've had major budget cuts, and are still required to do
what we've been doing all along. Go figure. Ordinarily, I
would purchase the font on my own, but we just had someone
get a letter of reprimand in their personnel jacket for doing
something similar.
Anyone have Americana SB X-Bold or it's freeware equivalent
they could post?
--
~
The Evil Tessmacher
Coming Soon to a Kiosk near you!
Peter T. Daniels
2009-08-07 02:29:48 UTC
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In the US there's no copyright on type designs. On names of type, yes.
Post by macropod
I'm sure the owners of the IP in that font will (not) be impressed with your breach of copyright ...
--
Cheers
macropod
[Microsoft MVP - Word]
Attached is a font that is extra bold...........
If you can use it ...... great
Post by Tom Ferguson
Elsner + Flake and Bitstream each have versions of this face. Of the two, it
is more likely you can find the Bitstream out in the wild". I came bundled
with various Corel offerings over the years. I am not sure that source would
get you one as bold as you desire.
The exact one you want is available from various sources at about $31.00
USD.
Tom
PS
You can subscribe directly to the MS NNTP news server without a
username/password. Server use is free.
NEWS://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.word.printingfonts
Click on the link and your default news reader will be set up to use the
server.
T
Post by The Evil Tessmacher
I'm in need of a specific style font, or its equivalent, but
don't have the budget funding to make the purchase of the
actual font. I know that there are freeware versions of
almost all fonts, and that someone, somewhere has a version
of what I need.
The actual font is: Americana SB X-Bold but I can use a
freeware equivalent if there is one that is really close.
We've had major budget cuts, and are still required to do
what we've been doing all along. Go figure. Ordinarily, I
would purchase the font on my own, but we just had someone
get a letter of reprimand in their personnel jacket for doing
something similar.
Anyone have Americana SB X-Bold or it's freeware equivalent
they could post?
--
~
The Evil Tessmacher
Coming Soon to a Kiosk near you!-
Character
2009-08-07 02:34:58 UTC
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Post by Peter T. Daniels
In the US there's no copyright on type designs. On names of type, yes.
That's true, but a font file is considered software just like an
application, and is subject to the same protections.

- Character
Character
2009-08-07 02:30:08 UTC
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Post by macropod
I'm sure the owners of the IP in that font will (not) be impressed with
your breach of copyright ...
What WSI put their copyright notices in and sold were clones of
others' fonts. WSI abandoned their font library and made it freely
available at http://www.clipart.com/en/se/fonts. The Amphion family
can be found in the "A" pages 31-33. Their fonts are also available on
other sites, but this is the one specifically authorized by WSI.

However, I'm sure that Pilo Erector didn't check this out before he
improprietously posted an apparently commercial font in a forum that
nominally does not accept attachments and is hosted by Microsoft.

- Character
Peter T. Daniels
2009-08-07 02:50:17 UTC
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Post by Character
Post by macropod
I'm sure the owners of the IP in that font will (not) be impressed with
your breach of copyright ...
What WSI put their copyright notices in and sold were clones of
others' fonts. WSI abandoned their font library and made it freely
available athttp://www.clipart.com/en/se/fonts. The Amphion family
can be found in the "A" pages 31-33. Their fonts are also available on
other sites, but this is the one specifically authorized by WSI.
However, I'm sure that Pilo Erector didn't check this out before he
improprietously posted an apparently commercial font in a forum that
nominally does not accept attachments and is hosted by Microsoft.
I suppose that's why I never saw that posting. google groups doesn't
accept postings with attachments.
macropod
2009-08-07 03:25:25 UTC
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Hi Character,

Being a clone doesn't detract from the intellectual property rights attached to the clone. Arial, for example, can be considered a
clone of LinoType's Helvetica font (having identical character widths, and being indistinguishable by most non-specialists), but
that doesn't mean Monotype doesn't have the copyright on Arial.
--
Cheers
macropod
[Microsoft MVP - Word]
Post by macropod
I'm sure the owners of the IP in that font will (not) be impressed with your breach of copyright ...
What WSI put their copyright notices in and sold were clones of others' fonts. WSI abandoned their font library and made it freely
available at http://www.clipart.com/en/se/fonts. The Amphion family can be found in the "A" pages 31-33. Their fonts are also
available on other sites, but this is the one specifically authorized by WSI.
However, I'm sure that Pilo Erector didn't check this out before he improprietously posted an apparently commercial font in a
forum that nominally does not accept attachments and is hosted by Microsoft.
- Character
Character
2009-08-07 04:15:25 UTC
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Post by macropod
Hi Character,
Being a clone doesn't detract from the intellectual property rights
attached to the clone. Arial, for example, can be considered a clone of
LinoType's Helvetica font (having identical character widths, and being
indistinguishable by most non-specialists), but that doesn't mean
Monotype doesn't have the copyright on Arial.
macropod -

A clone isn't just an equivalent font. It uses the original genetic
material (i.e., the code in the files) to reproduce.

Arial may have used Helvetica as a design model, but it was a complete
redrawing with new code and unquestionably legal. WSI's
implementations in some cases are believed to have taken the original
font files of companies like Adobe, Agfa, Emigre, and Monotype,
mechanically made some minor changes, put in new text information
(copyright etc.) and sold them. Unlike Southern Software, no legal
action was ever taken against them, and some of their fonts are
definitely original and well-constructed.

Meanwhile, WSI has abandoned their intellectual property rights
regarding thse fonts. To quote from their current website:

"WSI is no longer selling or licensing fonts for redistribution. If
you are an end-user and wish to purchase one or more of WSI’s fonts
for your personal or internal company use, many of WSI’s fonts are
available from www.ArtToday.com"

ArtToday.com does not sell the fonts per se, but charges a flat access
fee to their site. Many reputable free font sites also have the
WSI/IMSI fonts available with no service charge.

- Character
macropod
2009-08-07 05:32:18 UTC
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Post by Character
mechanically made some minor changes
In that case, you've confirmed what I said. Unless the owners of the fonts can establish a breach of copyright, WSI has the IP
rights to its fonts. The fact they're "no longer selling or licensing fonts for redistribution" doesn't change that one iota and
gives no-one the right to distribute them here.
--
Cheers
macropod
[Microsoft MVP - Word]
Post by Character
Post by macropod
Hi Character,
Being a clone doesn't detract from the intellectual property rights attached to the clone. Arial, for example, can be considered
a clone of LinoType's Helvetica font (having identical character widths, and being indistinguishable by most non-specialists),
but that doesn't mean Monotype doesn't have the copyright on Arial.
macropod -
A clone isn't just an equivalent font. It uses the original genetic material (i.e., the code in the files) to reproduce.
Arial may have used Helvetica as a design model, but it was a complete redrawing with new code and unquestionably legal. WSI's
implementations in some cases are believed to have taken the original font files of companies like Adobe, Agfa, Emigre, and
Monotype, mechanically made some minor changes, put in new text information (copyright etc.) and sold them. Unlike Southern
Software, no legal action was ever taken against them, and some of their fonts are definitely original and well-constructed.
"WSI is no longer selling or licensing fonts for redistribution. If you are an end-user and wish to purchase one or more of WSI’s
fonts for your personal or internal company use, many of WSI’s fonts are available from www.ArtToday.com"
ArtToday.com does not sell the fonts per se, but charges a flat access fee to their site. Many reputable free font sites also have
the WSI/IMSI fonts available with no service charge.
- Character
Peter T. Daniels
2009-08-07 12:01:02 UTC
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Assuming that Character is correct in asserting that the programs in
which the fonts are embodied are copyright, that still doesn't make
the fonts themselves copyrightable. If someone were to somehow create
matrices for hot type directly from a font of metal type, there would
be no legal recourse in the US; similarly, with electronic type it is
not the designs, but only the software behind them that is protected.
Post by macropod
Post by Character
mechanically made some minor changes
In that case, you've confirmed what I said. Unless the owners of the fonts can establish a breach of copyright, WSI has the IP
rights to its fonts. The fact they're "no longer selling or licensing fonts for redistribution" doesn't change that one iota and
gives no-one the right to distribute them here.
--
Cheers
macropod
[Microsoft MVP - Word]
Post by Character
Post by macropod
Hi Character,
Being a clone doesn't detract from the intellectual property rights attached to the clone. Arial, for example, can be considered
a clone of LinoType's Helvetica font (having identical character widths, and being indistinguishable by most non-specialists),
but that doesn't mean Monotype doesn't have the copyright on Arial.
macropod -
A clone isn't just an equivalent font. It uses the original genetic material (i.e., the code in the files) to reproduce.
Arial may have used Helvetica as a design model, but it was a complete redrawing with new code and unquestionably legal. WSI's
implementations in some cases are believed to have taken the original font files of companies like Adobe, Agfa, Emigre, and
Monotype, mechanically made some minor changes, put in new text information (copyright etc.) and sold them. Unlike Southern
Software, no legal action was ever taken against them, and some of their fonts are definitely original and well-constructed.
"WSI is no longer selling or licensing fonts for redistribution. If you are an end-user and wish to purchase one or more of WSI’s
fonts for your personal or internal company use, many of WSI’s fonts are available fromwww.ArtToday.com"
ArtToday.com does not sell the fonts per se, but charges a flat access fee to their site. Many reputable free font sites also have
the WSI/IMSI fonts available with no service charge.
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