lining numerals in Constantia?

[Fred Zimmerman (Parker, 2d grade)]

is there a way to get Word to produce lining numerals (aligned along
the baseline) in Constantia?

[Character]

Post by Fred Zimmerman (Parker, 2d grade)
is there a way to get Word to produce lining numerals (aligned along
the baseline) in Constantia?

I'm really interested in seeing the responses to this question.

Constantia is a full functioned Open Type font, and includes lining
numerals and old-style numerals in tabular and proportional forms, as
well as superscript and subscript numerals. They are supported by the
lnum (Lining Figures) feature and are easily accessible in Adobe
InDesign.

However, I can't find any of these alterate forms in Charmap - they
don't have unicode identifications. The lining numeral zero, for
example, has a glyph name of zero.lnum

In general, MS Word supports Opentype's multi-lingual capabilities,
but it does NOT support advanced typographic features such as this. I
had thought that the full glyph complement was available in Charmap,
but either it isn't, or I haven't discovered the right combination of
options.

NOTE: I'm working with XPSP2 and Word 2003, but I haven't heard that
Word 2007 or Vista's Charmap provides any greater level of OpenType
support.

-= Character

[Fred Zimmerman (Parker, 2d grade)]

Post by Character

Post by Fred Zimmerman (Parker, 2d grade)
is there a way to get Word to produce lining numerals (aligned along
the baseline) in Constantia?

I'm really interested in seeing the responses to this question.
Constantia is a full functioned Open Type font, and includes lining
numerals and old-style numerals in tabular and proportional forms, as
well as superscript and subscript numerals. They are supported by the
lnum (Lining Figures) feature and are easily accessible in Adobe
InDesign.
However, I can't find any of these alterate forms in Charmap - they
don't have unicode identifications. The lining numeral zero, for
example, has a glyph name of zero.lnum
In general, MS Word supports Opentype's multi-lingual capabilities,
but it does NOT support advanced typographic features such as this. I
had thought that the full glyph complement was available in Charmap,
but either it isn't, or I haven't discovered the right combination of
options.
NOTE: I'm working with XPSP2 and Word 2003, but I haven't heard that
Word 2007 or Vista's Charmap provides any greater level of OpenType
support.
-= Character

yes, this is exactly my concern: is there any way you can get Word to
access these glyphs with an addon or customization or what have you?
I do my typesetting in Word 2007 (sorry, purists) and am not yet ready
to justify moving to InDesign.

The nonlining numerals in Constantia struggle with acronyms like
CVN-26 or superscripts like 19th century -- where there is a huge gap
between the nonlining 9 and the superscripted t.

[Character]

Post by Fred Zimmerman (Parker, 2d grade)

Post by Character

Post by Fred Zimmerman (Parker, 2d grade)
is there a way to get Word to produce lining numerals (aligned along
the baseline) in Constantia?

I'm really interested in seeing the responses to this question.
Constantia is a full functioned Open Type font, and includes lining
numerals and old-style numerals in tabular and proportional forms, as
well as superscript and subscript numerals. They are supported by the
lnum (Lining Figures) feature and are easily accessible in Adobe
InDesign.
However, I can't find any of these alterate forms in Charmap - they
don't have unicode identifications. The lining numeral zero, for
example, has a glyph name of zero.lnum
In general, MS Word supports Opentype's multi-lingual capabilities,
but it does NOT support advanced typographic features such as this. I
had thought that the full glyph complement was available in Charmap,
but either it isn't, or I haven't discovered the right combination of
options.
NOTE: I'm working with XPSP2 and Word 2003, but I haven't heard that
Word 2007 or Vista's Charmap provides any greater level of OpenType
support.
-= Character

yes, this is exactly my concern: is there any way you can get Word to
access these glyphs with an addon or customization or what have you?
I do my typesetting in Word 2007 (sorry, purists) and am not yet ready
to justify moving to InDesign.
The nonlining numerals in Constantia struggle with acronyms like
CVN-26 or superscripts like 19th century -- where there is a huge gap
between the nonlining 9 and the superscripted t.

The problem with Constantia (and probably the other
Microsoft-sponsored fonts) is that they did not assign unicode values
to many of the glyphs. This is what makes them inaccessible in
Microsoft applications and utilities. Did somebody say that their left
and right hand are autonomous?

There MAY be a substitute character map utility that can access the
un-coded glyphs, but I haven't found one yet.

[Tom Ferguson]

I made some enquiries about extension of Word's support for such typographic
features, and from Stuart Stuple of the Office team, through Simon Daniels,
Lead PM for fonts, Microsoft typography, received a reply. I repeat it here
with permission of Stuart Stuple and Si Daniels.

"I think it's safe to say yes, we are hoping to extend the OpenType support
in Office beyond the existing support for Complex Script fonts. However,
it's still early days and we can't make any official promises."
-Si

"Yes. It's now spec'd so we're hoping to get it into the actual work done.
It's sort of on the edge of the schedule--part in (Kerning) and most
dangling just over the side."
-Stuart

So, in short, nothing finished, nothing promised but it is being actively
pursued.

Tom
MSMVP 1998-2007

Post by Fred Zimmerman (Parker, 2d grade)
is there a way to get Word to produce lining numerals (aligned along
the baseline) in Constantia?

[Fred Zimmerman (Parker, 2d grade)]

After some experimentation I have found a klugey workaround. The
subscript and superscript fonts in Constantia as viewed in Word 2007
are lining numerals aligned along a baseline.

therefore...

Insert Symbols

Insert the numbers you want as subscripts
select them, increase font size to say 20
then select Fonts ... Character Spacing .... Position ... Raised
by ... 3 pts.

Presto! sort of. I make no claims that this would satisfy typographic
purists or that it would be in any way convenient, but it can be done.

Fred

Post by Tom Ferguson
I made some enquiries about extension of Word's support for such typographic
features, and from Stuart Stuple of the Office team, through Simon Daniels,
Lead PM for fonts, Microsoft typography, received a reply. I repeat it here
with permission of Stuart Stuple and Si Daniels.
"I think it's safe to say yes, we are hoping to extend the OpenType support
in Office beyond the existing support for Complex Script fonts. However,
it's still early days and we can't make any official promises."
-Si
"Yes. It's now spec'd so we're hoping to get it into the actual work done.
It's sort of on the edge of the schedule--part in (Kerning) and most
dangling just over the side."
-Stuart
So, in short, nothing finished, nothing promised but it is being actively
pursued.
Tom
MSMVP 1998-2007

Post by Fred Zimmerman (Parker, 2d grade)
is there a way to get Word to produce lining numerals (aligned along
the baseline) in Constantia

[Tom Ferguson]

Good. I think that would be workable in many situations even if, as you say,
kludgey.
--
Tom
MSMVP 1998-2007

Post by Fred Zimmerman (Parker, 2d grade)
After some experimentation I have found a klugey workaround. The
subscript and superscript fonts in Constantia as viewed in Word 2007
are lining numerals aligned along a baseline.
therefore...
Insert Symbols
Insert the numbers you want as subscripts
select them, increase font size to say 20
then select Fonts ... Character Spacing .... Position ... Raised
by ... 3 pts.
Presto! sort of. I make no claims that this would satisfy typographic
purists or that it would be in any way convenient, but it can be done.
Fred

Post by Tom Ferguson
I made some enquiries about extension of Word's support for such typographic
features, and from Stuart Stuple of the Office team, through Simon Daniels,
Lead PM for fonts, Microsoft typography, received a reply. I repeat it here
with permission of Stuart Stuple and Si Daniels.
"I think it's safe to say yes, we are hoping to extend the OpenType support
in Office beyond the existing support for Complex Script fonts. However,
it's still early days and we can't make any official promises."
-Si
"Yes. It's now spec'd so we're hoping to get it into the actual work done.
It's sort of on the edge of the schedule--part in (Kerning) and most
dangling just over the side."
-Stuart
So, in short, nothing finished, nothing promised but it is being actively
pursued.
Tom
MSMVP 1998-2007

Post by Fred Zimmerman (Parker, 2d grade)
is there a way to get Word to produce lining numerals (aligned along
the baseline) in Constantia