How to make Word2003 print like Word97 did?

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Robert Macy

2009-01-01 19:57:58 UTC

Documents created using Word97 are not viewing or printing the same
when using updated Word 2003 [or is that Word 2000?] whatever is part
of Office 2003

Several hundred documents are affected, all with different fonts.
The viewing and the printing of documents are simply shifted slightly,
or munged in some subtle ways.

There are two outstanding examples of this obvious lack of
compatibility between Word97 and Word2003:

Document 1, created with Word97 using Eurostile 10 point font
Word97 views/prints on 1 page, perfectly as expected
Word2003 views/prints on 2 pages because 5 lines are carried over!

Document 2, created with Word97 using EuroRoman 16 point font
Word97 views/prints as expected
Word2003 views/prints unreadably in Greek cyrillic alphabet.

For both systems, Document 1 the font, eurosti.ttf is identical
For both systems, Document 2 the font, eurr____.ttf is identical

I tried copying Word97.exe and two required .dll's
wwintl32.dll and ms097.dll
Does not run, comes up with the message "out of memory, etc

This loss of compatibility is not just frustrating, but infuriating.

Now I have too many documents created using Word2003 to allow me to
abandon that.

What is the solution? How to view/print these several hundred
documents properly?

Robert

grammatim

2009-01-01 20:09:15 UTC

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This doesn't appear to be a fonts question. I'm crossposting the query
to the general Word newsgroup.

Post by Robert Macy
Documents created using Word97 are not viewing or printing the same
when using updated Word 2003 [or is that Word 2000?] whatever is part
of Office 2003
Several hundred documents are affected, all with different fonts.
The viewing and the printing of documents are simply shifted slightly,
or munged in some subtle ways.
There are two outstanding examples of this obvious lack of
Document 1, created with Word97 using Eurostile 10 point font
Word97 views/prints on 1 page, perfectly as expected
Word2003 views/prints on 2 pages because 5 lines are carried over!
Document 2, created with Word97 using EuroRoman 16 point font
Word97 views/prints as expected
Word2003 views/prints unreadably in Greek cyrillic alphabet.
For both systems, Document 1 the font, eurosti.ttf is identical
For both systems, Document 2 the font, eurr____.ttf is identical
I tried copying Word97.exe and two required .dll's
wwintl32.dll and ms097.dll
Does not run, comes up with the message "out of memory, etc
This loss of compatibility is not just frustrating, but infuriating.
Now I have too many documents created using Word2003 to allow me to
abandon that.
What is the solution? How to view/print these several hundred
documents properly?

2009-01-02 10:43:43 UTC

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Post by grammatim
This doesn't appear to be a fonts question. I'm crossposting the query
to the general Word newsgroup.

As you say you tried copying files, I'm assuming you are using
different computers.

The page layout of a Word document depends on the default printer of
the system you are writing on. Using different printers might result
in the layout of your text changing (even on the same computer). Words
can end up on the next line and lines can end up on the next page. It
sounds as this is the behaviour you are experiencing in Document 1.
The only real solution to this is to install some kind of virtual
printer (PDF, XPS, ...) and use that one as the default on all your
computers. That way, the document should look the same on all
machines.

Are you sure those Greek characters are in the font you say they are?
In Word, go to the popup for inserting a symbol. Then select your
"EuroRoman" as a font. Do you see all cyrillic character in the box
below? I found the EuroRoman font you are talking about at
http://www.allfontz.com/modules.php?name=allfontz&char=E&no=700.
Unless that version is a limited subset (which I doubt) the font does
not support all that many cyrillic characters (none seems closer to
the truth).

Note that fonts shouldn't just be copied, they should be installed.
Copy your "eurr____.ttf" to your new system and then right click it
and choose install to properly add it to your system.

Yves

Suzanne S. Barnhill

2009-01-01 20:29:54 UTC

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You speak of two systems. Do these two systems have different operating
systems? If so, you will have different drivers even for the same printer.
See http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Formatting/TextReflow.htm
--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

Tom Ferguson

2009-01-01 21:21:50 UTC

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Word is not a page layout program. It is a text flow program. It references
the printer driver when setting up the page to optimize appearance.

As the years passed and different versions were released, various features
were added. To accommodate them, various changes were made in the way the
text flowed. For example, you allow "dropped caps". How do you change line
spacing rules to make it possible?

I could go on, but there is little point aside from commiseration. e.g. I
have documents I created with Word for DOS 3.0 that were used through the
years and last printed with Word 2000. With each new Word version, these
documents required extensive re-editing.

For a start, see if Suzanne's link offers any help. For my part, I would
suggest looking at one of these earlier documents and check the line spacing
under the Paragraph format dialogue. Try setting it for 'exactly' .... Also
check compatibility settings under options.

I am not sure what problems you are hit with in Document 2. It seems likely
to be a Unicode issue. Change the font to Arial as a diagnostic strep. Check
the Font Substitution setting for the document.

" I tried copying Word97.exe and ...." puzzles me. More details please about
what you were trying to do.
--
Tom
MSMVP 1998-2007

Tom Ferguson

2009-01-02 16:25:19 UTC

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Post by Tom Ferguson
Word is not a page layout program. It is a text flow program. It
references the printer driver when setting up the page to optimize
appearance.

For greater clarity, I should add:

This means that the same document can appear differently if printed with
different printers on the same computer or different computers. Also, the
same document can look different when printed with the same or different
printers if different printer drivers are used. E.G. as between different
OSs versions such as used by Windows 98 -vs- Windows 2000.

Post by Tom Ferguson
As the years passed and different versions were released, various features
were added. To accommodate them, various changes were made in the way the
text flowed. For example, you allow "dropped caps". How do you change line
spacing rules to make it possible?
I could go on, but there is little point aside from commiseration. e.g. I
have documents I created with Word for DOS 3.0 that were used through the
years and last printed with Word 2000. With each new Word version, these
documents required extensive re-editing.

For greater clarity, I should add:

Even if using the same OS with the same printer and driver, the same
document can look differently if printed from different Word versions and
require re-editing to make therm look essentially teh same.
{Snip}

Post by Tom Ferguson
--
Tom
MSMVP 1998-2007

Robert Macy

2009-01-02 22:07:16 UTC

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Thank you ALL!!! This group has got good people on it.

The problem was caused by a bit of bleeping stupidity combined with
erroneous assumptions. Embarrassingly, I DID NOT have the two fonts
mentioned installed either on the Win98 running Office 2003 or on the
WinXP running Office2003. I was misled, because the font always was
listed at the top of the document no matter where I was viewing it.
So I 'assumed' it was installed. WRONG! The subtle shifts, I can
live with. Wrong letters and loss of pagination weren't acceptible.

All has been fixed by installing the fonts. After I installed, the
fonts onto the Laptop running Word2000 on Win98SE; the document using
eurostile shows up on 1 page as it should, and the EuroRoman document
now shows the letters in English, not Greek.

Thanks for the 'heads up' to watch out if I were to micro manage the
page layout and look - it could be all for nothing.

Especially thank you for the AllFontz.com site.

Now I have a new problem. I followed Suzanne's suggestion from
another thread [possibly not followed correctly], and installed only
Word97 into a different Program File/Microsoft Office 97. I had to
modify the autoexc.bat manually to get the path correct. But, after
all done I can indeed run either Word2000 [from Office 2003], or run
Word 97 from Office 97. But, the problem now is, the click to open
menus isn't right. I preferentially want Word2000 to open *.doc, but
Word97 is hogging the attention. I miss being able to simply double
click and have Word2000 open things. MS did not 'leave' the last
application used as the next application used and I couldn't find any
folder options to allow me to change to opening with either program.
I'm extremely reluctant to uninstall Word97 for fear of deleting part
of Word2000. not a font questiong, though. sorry.

Have a Happy and prosperous New Year ALL
Robert

Tom Ferguson

2009-01-03 03:42:26 UTC

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I am glad you resolved the issue.

As for the confusion of Office/Word installs, one could go through the
details of how it all might be remedied but 'to micromanage' it 'could be
all for nothing'. It might be best to remove all Office programs of all
versions and install afresh just those you need .
--
Tom
MSMVP 1998-2007

Post by Robert Macy
Thank you ALL!!! This group has got good people on it.
The problem was caused by a bit of bleeping stupidity combined with
erroneous assumptions. Embarrassingly, I DID NOT have the two fonts
mentioned installed either on the Win98 running Office 2003 or on the
WinXP running Office2003. I was misled, because the font always was
listed at the top of the document no matter where I was viewing it.
So I 'assumed' it was installed. WRONG! The subtle shifts, I can
live with. Wrong letters and loss of pagination weren't acceptible.
All has been fixed by installing the fonts. After I installed, the
fonts onto the Laptop running Word2000 on Win98SE; the document using
eurostile shows up on 1 page as it should, and the EuroRoman document
now shows the letters in English, not Greek.
Thanks for the 'heads up' to watch out if I were to micro manage the
page layout and look - it could be all for nothing.
Especially thank you for the AllFontz.com site.
Now I have a new problem. I followed Suzanne's suggestion from
another thread [possibly not followed correctly], and installed only
Word97 into a different Program File/Microsoft Office 97. I had to
modify the autoexc.bat manually to get the path correct. But, after
all done I can indeed run either Word2000 [from Office 2003], or run
Word 97 from Office 97. But, the problem now is, the click to open
menus isn't right. I preferentially want Word2000 to open *.doc, but
Word97 is hogging the attention. I miss being able to simply double
click and have Word2000 open things. MS did not 'leave' the last
application used as the next application used and I couldn't find any
folder options to allow me to change to opening with either program.
I'm extremely reluctant to uninstall Word97 for fear of deleting part
of Word2000. not a font questiong, though. sorry.
Have a Happy and prosperous New Year ALL
Robert

Suzanne S. Barnhill

2009-01-03 03:59:41 UTC

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I preferentially want Word2000 to open *.doc, but

Post by Robert Macy
Word97 is hogging the attention. I miss being able to simply double
click and have Word2000 open things.

What you can try (no guarantees): In Windows Explorer, right-click on a .doc
file and choose Open With. Select Word 2000 (being careful to browse to the
right folder for it) and set that as the default. This may very well not
work; some users have found that they can't specify Word 2007 to open .doc
files (though Word 2007 of course will open .docx).

Another approach is the one suggested in
http://word2007bible.herbtyson.com/2007/04/15/word-2007-and-word-2003-coexisting/. I
used this to prevent the constant "reconfiguration" of Word 2003 and 2007
(installed side by side), and the result seems to be that, by default, 2003
opens everything, including .docx. So it may be that the result of this is
to specify the preferred/default .exe for all Word docs.

At this point, though, do you really have a need to have Word 97 installed?
If not, it might be simpler to uninstall it.
--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

Robert Macy

2009-01-03 18:24:57 UTC

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Post by Robert Macy
I preferentially want Word2000 to open *.doc, but

Word97 is hogging the attention. I miss being able to simply double
click and have Word2000 open things.

What you can try (no guarantees): In Windows Explorer, right-click on a .doc
file and choose Open With. Select Word 2000 (being careful to browse to the
right folder for it) and set that as the default. This may very well not
work; some users have found that they can't specify Word 2007 to open .doc
files (though Word 2007 of course will open .docx).
Another approach is the one suggested inhttp://word2007bible.herbtyson.com/2007/04/15/word-2007-and-word-2003.... I
used this to prevent the constant "reconfiguration" of Word 2003 and 2007
(installed side by side), and the result seems to be that, by default, 2003
opens everything, including .docx. So it may be that the result of this is
to specify the preferred/default .exe for all Word docs.
At this point, though, do you really have a need to have Word 97 installed?
If not, it might be simpler to uninstall it.
--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USAhttp://word.mvps.org

Thank you for replying 'off-topic'

Right click does not produce the option of 'open with' on Win98SE and
right clicking properties to change what opens it doesn't work
either. However, for some reason Word2000 is now taking priority. So
apparently both are installed ok. I think I'll let sleeping dogs
lie. Uninstall might be an option later.

Regards,
Robert

Character

2009-01-04 00:12:50 UTC

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Post by Robert Macy
Right click does not produce the option of 'open with' on Win98SE and
right clicking properties to change what opens it doesn't work
either.

Try SHIFT/Right-click

Robert Macy

2009-01-04 06:23:09 UTC

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Post by Character

Post by Robert Macy
Right click does not produce the option of 'open with' on Win98SE and
right clicking properties to change what opens it doesn't work
either.

Try SHIFT/Right-click

Thank you. Never knew I could do that on a Win98 system. I have MANY
uses for this tip.

Specifically relating to the problem of Word2000 vs Word97: Word97 has
insinuated itself everywhere as the predominant choice. In START/
Programs, it's the only choice now. Also, after SHIFT/Right-click,
the only choice has been changed to Word97. I guess installing Word97
removed all 'easy' references to Word2000.

Luckily, clicking to open a *.doc seems to be going for the Word2000
and both Word versions are living together on the machine somewhat.

Thanks again. for the SHIFT/Right-click now I can delete the pairs of
files I made with different extensions to get around the problem. Or,
the laborious sequence of steps of opening the application, working
through the folder tree, and then opening the file.

Robert

Character

2009-01-04 06:37:08 UTC

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Post by Robert Macy

Post by Character

Post by Robert Macy
Right click does not produce the option of 'open with' on Win98SE and
right clicking properties to change what opens it doesn't work
either.

Try SHIFT/Right-click

You should also see an option to select a program that's not on the
list, and to make it the permanent choice for that particular extension.

Other ways include opening the application first and then opening your
file. You can also put multiple different applications in the 'send
to' section from the right-click menu.

YOu can re-create desktop icons for any application on your system.

Try using the Windows help system to search for some of these (click
on an empty part of your desktop and press F1). If you can't find
things that way, Google is your friend, too!

Meanwhile, this is completely off-topic for the printingfonts group.
Your questions and problems are more related to general operating
system functionality and to microsoft word itself.

- Character

Suzanne S. Barnhill

2009-01-04 16:16:50 UTC

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You could look at http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/AppErrors/ReRegisterWord.htm;
instead of using just "winword," include the full path to the Word 2000
executable.
--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

Post by Character

Post by Robert Macy
Right click does not produce the option of 'open with' on Win98SE and
right clicking properties to change what opens it doesn't work
either.

Try SHIFT/Right-click

Robert Macy

2009-01-04 17:48:47 UTC

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You could look athttp://word.mvps.org/FAQs/AppErrors/ReRegisterWord.htm;
instead of using just "winword," include the full path to the Word 2000
executable.
--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USAhttp://word.mvps.org

Post by Character

Post by Robert Macy
Right click does not produce the option of 'open with' on Win98SE and
right clicking properties to change what opens it doesn't work
either.

Try SHIFT/Right-click

Thank you. Never knew I could do that on a Win98 system. I have MANY
uses for this tip.
Specifically relating to the problem of Word2000 vs Word97: Word97 has
insinuated itself everywhere as the predominant choice. In START/
Programs, it's the only choice now. Also, after SHIFT/Right-click,
the only choice has been changed to Word97. I guess installing Word97
removed all 'easy' references to Word2000.
Luckily, clicking to open a *.doc seems to be going for the Word2000
and both Word versions are living together on the machine somewhat.
Thanks again. for the SHIFT/Right-click now I can delete the pairs of
files I made with different extensions to get around the problem. Or,
the laborious sequence of steps of opening the application, working
through the folder tree, and then opening the file.
Robert

Thanks again for all the tips. I apologize for these questions being
'off topic'. But, appreciate everyone on the groups forebearance to
allow it.

Regards,
Robert

Character

2009-01-01 21:24:28 UTC

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You may also have different settings regarding things like font
substitution, or in fact have different fonts installed OTHER than the
ones you mention. For instance, one may have an additional bold,
italic, and bold italic versions installed and the other not, in which
case the former would give a true variants and the latter would
artificially create them, leading to the kind of reflow problems you
describe.

Are you sure that Euro Roman is installed and installed properly and
available to other applications?

Just some thoughts.

- Character

Post by Robert Macy
There are two outstanding examples of this obvious lack of
Document 1, created with Word97 using Eurostile 10 point font
Word97 views/prints on 1 page, perfectly as expected
Word2003 views/prints on 2 pages because 5 lines are carried over!
Document 2, created with Word97 using EuroRoman 16 point font
Word97 views/prints as expected
Word2003 views/prints unreadably in Greek cyrillic alphabet.
For both systems, Document 1 the font, eurosti.ttf is identical
For both systems, Document 2 the font, eurr____.ttf is identical
I tried copying Word97.exe and two required .dll's
wwintl32.dll and ms097.dll
Does not run, comes up with the message "out of memory, etc
This loss of compatibility is not just frustrating, but infuriating.
Now I have too many documents created using Word2003 to allow me to
abandon that.
What is the solution? How to view/print these several hundred
documents properly?
Robert