Suzanne S. Barnhill
2009-10-21 14:49:37 UTC
I was afraid of that. This is one of those bizarre font issues that very few
people understand; to make it more likely that one of those few will see
this post, I'm cross-posting to the word.printingfonts NG. Since the
"history" of this thread is intact, perhaps they can figure out what the
problem is.
--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org
people understand; to make it more likely that one of those few will see
this post, I'm cross-posting to the word.printingfonts NG. Since the
"history" of this thread is intact, perhaps they can figure out what the
problem is.
--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org
I have checked my TNR font. Mine has those characters, too! So, why is Word
automatically inserting Tahoma in the place of the Cardo font I'm using?
Is
there a way to "remap" what Word is automatically inserting for particular
characters?
automatically inserting Tahoma in the place of the Cardo font I'm using?
Is
there a way to "remap" what Word is automatically inserting for particular
characters?
The version of TNR I'm using definitely includes the characters you
mention
(at U03AF and U03CC). It claims to be version 3.0 for roman and 2.90 for
italic, dated 1990, so even an older version of Windows/Office should
have
that installed (the roman and italic fonts, respectively, were modified
in
2002 and 2000, but even that is long enough ago that you should have
them).
The version history shown at
http://www.microsoft.com/typography/fonts/family.aspx?FID=9 goes only
through v. 2.55, but if you click on one of the links for more
information,
you arrive at a page for v. 5.01
(http://www.microsoft.com/typography/fonts/font.aspx?FMID=1653). Hmm.
That
one apparently comes with Vista and Windows 7. V. 3.00 is what came with
Windows XP SP2, which is why that's what I have, I guess.
--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org
mention
(at U03AF and U03CC). It claims to be version 3.0 for roman and 2.90 for
italic, dated 1990, so even an older version of Windows/Office should
have
that installed (the roman and italic fonts, respectively, were modified
in
2002 and 2000, but even that is long enough ago that you should have
them).
The version history shown at
http://www.microsoft.com/typography/fonts/family.aspx?FID=9 goes only
through v. 2.55, but if you click on one of the links for more
information,
you arrive at a page for v. 5.01
(http://www.microsoft.com/typography/fonts/font.aspx?FMID=1653). Hmm.
That
one apparently comes with Vista and Windows 7. V. 3.00 is what came with
Windows XP SP2, which is why that's what I have, I guess.
--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org
Peter,
Thanks for your response. Yes, you're right. The letters being changed
are
those with accents. It is the omicron with the acute accent and the
iota
with
the acute accent. Word inserts Tahoma for these characters. As far as I
can
tell there is a seemless transition between my Cardo and Tahoma, but my
publisher requires TNR italics. I am using Word 2007 12.0.6504.5000 SP2
MSO
12.0.6425.1000.
Is there a way to get an updated TNR that supports all the characters
Tahoma
does?
.Thanks for your response. Yes, you're right. The letters being changed
are
those with accents. It is the omicron with the acute accent and the
iota
with
the acute accent. Word inserts Tahoma for these characters. As far as I
can
tell there is a seemless transition between my Cardo and Tahoma, but my
publisher requires TNR italics. I am using Word 2007 12.0.6504.5000 SP2
MSO
12.0.6425.1000.
Is there a way to get an updated TNR that supports all the characters
Tahoma
does?
Which Greek letters are getting changed? Many fonts that support the
basic Greek range (the alphabet and the single accent used in Modern
Greek) don't have the huge range of accents used in Classical Greek,
and if you've used any of those letters, and they happen not to be in
the font you want to use, Word will substitute those letters from some
font that does have them (such as Tahoma or Arial Unicode). Times New
Roman does have the full set -- maybe you have an older version of TNR
from before those letters were included?
basic Greek range (the alphabet and the single accent used in Modern
Greek) don't have the huge range of accents used in Classical Greek,
and if you've used any of those letters, and they happen not to be in
the font you want to use, Word will substitute those letters from some
font that does have them (such as Tahoma or Arial Unicode). Times New
Roman does have the full set -- maybe you have an older version of TNR
from before those letters were included?
That certainly seems bizarre. The StyleRef field does not pick up
any
direct
font formatting (except, frustratingly, the Hidden property), but I
would
expect the result of the field to be formatted in the Default
Paragraph
Font
for the Header style unless you have applied some other paragraph or
character style. Provided that the DPF contains the required Greek
characters, I would not expect any problem, but if the font does
not,
then
the field might well be clever enough to substitute characters from
a
font
that does. If this is the case, then the solution is to format the
field in
a font that contains all the required characters.
--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USAhttp://word.mvps.org
any
direct
font formatting (except, frustratingly, the Hidden property), but I
would
expect the result of the field to be formatted in the Default
Paragraph
Font
for the Header style unless you have applied some other paragraph or
character style. Provided that the DPF contains the required Greek
characters, I would not expect any problem, but if the font does
not,
then
the field might well be clever enough to substitute characters from
a
font
that does. If this is the case, then the solution is to format the
field in
a font that contains all the required characters.
--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USAhttp://word.mvps.org
I am using styleref fields to put titles of subheadings in my
headers.
Some
of my subheadings are in Greek fonts. When the styleref field
inserts
the
greek text, it produces odd looking text with various fonts. The
Greek
font
I'm using is a unicode font that works with Times New Roman.
However,
when
the Times New Roman is inserted in the Header by the styleref
field,
it
changes some of the Greek letters to other fonts. They still
display
in
Greek, but the insertion of the various fonts makes the text look
odd.
When I
try to format just the Greek word, Word overrides the formatting
because
of
the field and reformats the Greek with various fonts. I have to
use
the
styleref field to accurately produce my subheadings in the header,
so
how
can
I get the field from inserting various fonts for the Greek? This
only
happens
on about 6 pages scattered throughout a 250 page document. Can I
simply
override the formatting on those pages?-
headers.
Some
of my subheadings are in Greek fonts. When the styleref field
inserts
the
greek text, it produces odd looking text with various fonts. The
Greek
font
I'm using is a unicode font that works with Times New Roman.
However,
when
the Times New Roman is inserted in the Header by the styleref
field,
it
changes some of the Greek letters to other fonts. They still
display
in
Greek, but the insertion of the various fonts makes the text look
odd.
When I
try to format just the Greek word, Word overrides the formatting
because
of
the field and reformats the Greek with various fonts. I have to
use
the
styleref field to accurately produce my subheadings in the header,
so
how
can
I get the field from inserting various fonts for the Greek? This
only
happens
on about 6 pages scattered throughout a 250 page document. Can I
simply
override the formatting on those pages?-